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Support for Hubitat?

Armand Welsh 3 years ago in Things & Capabilities / Non-"Works With SmartThings" devices updated by Max R 1 day ago 96

I have a license for ActionTiles that I only just did a minimalistic setup of to POC wall mounted tablets as an interface to my smart home. I am writing to officially ask if ActionTiles can be enhanced to support Hubitat.


I would love it if This system could be migrated over to support it, and will happily buy another device license for that system.

Armand

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Hubitat has created their own specialized web-app which mimics a lot of the functionality of ActionTiles. We're happy to see that product continuing to evolve and attract interest.


Realistically, we have plenty of consumer facing and non-consumer facing SmartThings related development to focus on before we can even consider diversion of resources to a niche platform. SmartThings is our birthplace and it is the platform of all our supportive customers' homes. The Votes on this Topic indicate that the future is open to many possibilities and the door remains open to anything ... eventually.

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Hi Armand (and everyone following this Topic)...


We're finding Hubitat (as a product, Hubitat Elevation, and as a company) to be an amazing achievement and are excited to see how it grows and expands. Given its similarity to SmartThings, it makes sense to believe that ActionTiles could be a great fit as an add-on UI from a technical perspective; with the caveat that we would likely retain the cloud-dependent nature of our own web-app. (It would be a tremendous diversion to change that particular aspect of our focus.)


We appreciate the enthusiasm, votes, and contributory discussion here. As with all Feature Request Topics, this not only helps us gauge interest, but also helps us and all readers understand, refine, partition and ultimately prioritize the idea.


A few random points to ponder, please:

- These the question "when is the right time for us to seriously consider jumping in...?"

  • Hubitat is rapidly evolving (which is super!); but developing an integration too soon could result in a non-trivial amount of rework, and more rework. Yes - all products evolve, but newly released ones are on a whole different scale and pace.
  • ActionTiles's current customers deserve inherent priority of our development resources. Whether promised or not, they expect continuous improvement of the app they have Licensed for their SmartThings homes. Also, our relationship with SmartThings, the company, is very important to us. We hope they support "openness" enough to not stand in our way as we explore adding other platform integrations; but we must be tactful, observant, and choose wisely.
  • Hubitat obviously has less of an existing customer base than SmartThings. Due to being young and small, it currently has less potential for growth in terms of raw numbers: If SmartThings adds even 10% new customers in the next year, that approaches 100,000 new potential customers.

Thanks!

...Terry.

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Hi Armand (and everyone following this Topic)...


We're finding Hubitat (as a product, Hubitat Elevation, and as a company) to be an amazing achievement and are excited to see how it grows and expands. Given its similarity to SmartThings, it makes sense to believe that ActionTiles could be a great fit as an add-on UI from a technical perspective; with the caveat that we would likely retain the cloud-dependent nature of our own web-app. (It would be a tremendous diversion to change that particular aspect of our focus.)


We appreciate the enthusiasm, votes, and contributory discussion here. As with all Feature Request Topics, this not only helps us gauge interest, but also helps us and all readers understand, refine, partition and ultimately prioritize the idea.


A few random points to ponder, please:

- These the question "when is the right time for us to seriously consider jumping in...?"

  • Hubitat is rapidly evolving (which is super!); but developing an integration too soon could result in a non-trivial amount of rework, and more rework. Yes - all products evolve, but newly released ones are on a whole different scale and pace.
  • ActionTiles's current customers deserve inherent priority of our development resources. Whether promised or not, they expect continuous improvement of the app they have Licensed for their SmartThings homes. Also, our relationship with SmartThings, the company, is very important to us. We hope they support "openness" enough to not stand in our way as we explore adding other platform integrations; but we must be tactful, observant, and choose wisely.
  • Hubitat obviously has less of an existing customer base than SmartThings. Due to being young and small, it currently has less potential for growth in terms of raw numbers: If SmartThings adds even 10% new customers in the next year, that approaches 100,000 new potential customers.

Thanks!

...Terry.

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Another thing to consider is the advantages of being the first.  Getting your product in as the 'only' front end would be a huge advantage both in revenue and in long term being the 'first' and most mature user interface available.


I currently have 2 licenses and would immediately purchase a third for Hubitat when available. (ordered my Hubitat today).

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I agree, Hubitat does not have any similar mobile app or front-end at the moment and Action Tiles being far more mature than any new solution points to a good first mover advantage.

If AT is not released on the platform, users who have access to the last version of Smart Tile before going closed source, will invariably use that as the UI to Hubitat for lack of options. This could have potentially been revenue that AT could earn.

Nevertheless, being a license owner, I am still glad you are cautious and calculated about the AT platforms overall longevity irrespective of Hubitat. Just hoping to stick to a single product on both platforms, if possible.

Well, as a developer myself, I can promise that I do not want to write such a system.  You already have a product that could work.  But, when I finish my remodel, and have my tablets installed in my walls, I will either pay someone for a solution, or I will build it myself.  I do not want to build it myself, but will do what is necessary to get tablet based home automation access. Your system is perfect when implemented in kiosk mode, but a native Objective C client is not out of the question, if you are not ready. I hope you have a solution by then, or I can find an alternative by then....

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I made the jump over to Hubitat, and yes there are dashboard solutions available (both native and HousePanel) but I really do <3 my AT solution which is now tile-less as there's nothing on ST except one or two bits I have not yet ported.

I appreciate the level of concern that you all have about the 'newness' of the platform, but I think while ST may gain new customers it may end up going the path of AOL...gain X% of new users, while losing +X% of existing users due to poor management, communication (or lack thereof) of changes to the platform, security/privacy concerns, and well complete cloud dependence 


I do hope that an AT / Hubitat integration is in the cards - or if not I'm going to start looking at HousePanel for a local tile solution (or see where they go with the dashboard)


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i have seen the new dashboard.  It is very much like smart tiles, but very young still.  It deserately needs a UI/UX developer to improve the look.  I was not aware of House Panel, I may have to take a look. I will be starting my remodel soon, and am getting anxious for a solution.

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HP looks interesting, especially if you are looking for a completely local running solution, but I do like AT just wont be able to use it for a while as the streak of issues ST had with their platform forced a change when WAF plummeted

For some reason the ST outages seemed to coincide either with large gatherings at my home, or when I was on the road and unable to smooth things over. Did not bode well for the WAF feedback loop


Samsung is unlikely to have customer losses (Y%) exceed gains (X%). If the situation becomes dire, they have a $ billion they can throw at the problem - something Habitat and ActionTiles can't do (and hopefully won't ever have to 😬!).


Thanks for the feedback, but our Answer for Hubitat remains as shown above - we're waiting for them to establish significant growth and prominence; heck, we get many more requests for Wink and Home Assistant and Homeseer and Vera than Hubitat; so far!

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Deferred: Voting Open

Hubitat has created their own specialized web-app which mimics a lot of the functionality of ActionTiles. We're happy to see that product continuing to evolve and attract interest.


Realistically, we have plenty of consumer facing and non-consumer facing SmartThings related development to focus on before we can even consider diversion of resources to a niche platform. SmartThings is our birthplace and it is the platform of all our supportive customers' homes. The Votes on this Topic indicate that the future is open to many possibilities and the door remains open to anything ... eventually.

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Very interesting, thanks!

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Great to see this as an active effort!  Thank you!

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Please elaborate on the in-progress status.  Are you adding support for Hubitat?


Is this related at all to Samsung locking their system down even more recently?

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Hubitat support will be added shortly.


This is related to increased demand, due to rising popularity of Hubitat. 

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Since no one has asked here If we have a license already but since we moved to Hubitat can we use that same license with Hubitat now?

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Great to hear!!!  One quick question....and if you are still working out details, I understand.  If I paid for my subscription back when I was on SmartThings but haven't used it for a while, will it also cover Hubitat or will Hubitat be a separate subscription?  If you're looking for any Beta's, I'd be happy to sign up.  Used Action Tiles a TON back in my SmartThings days and it is one of the things I really missed when I moved over to Hubitat.  So excited!

Good news indeed! Looking forward to trying it out on Hubitat. Always loved AT but I dropped ST like a ton of bricks over two years ago and haven’t regretted it since!!

Awesome. I am using ST with HubConnect to allow for ActionTiles access. This is great news. If possible would be great to have it work on both environments with same panels. Very willing to cough up the cash for an additional license for the Hubitat hub(s)! 

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Yes, it will work transparently with both platforms. 

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This is great news! Currently on ST but I've ordered my HE hub. This will save me from setting up mirrored virtual devices.

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Hiw shortly is shortly? =p

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Hi, first of all thank you AT for including Hubitat in your roadmap. It would indeed be helpful to get an indication if we are talking days, weeks or months wrt introduction. I recieved my HE today and depending of your timeline would not like to spend too much time on their UI as I am perfectly happy with AT. Thanks.

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I'm nearly fed up with Samsung Smartthings to the point of switching over to Hubitat! This is primarily due to the recent "NEW" app migration, which is continually becoming a new "PLATFORM" migration and causing numerous outages and failed automation executions (webcore/st-app). The inclusion of ActionTiles is the last tick on my decision tree! I've seen all the dashboard options with Hubitat such as HousePanel, but they all fall short of ActionTiles. So, I'm very glad to hear that its being ported over!!!  

I felt the same way, but AT was not the crutch to keep me from moving.  Hubitat uses the same groovy language with all the same driver syntax and structure, with a very small amount of refactoring to make the system work.  I converted all my ST code over then deleted a lot of them because of the large community and top-notch generic device support.

Same boat here.  Avid Smart things user but the migration has made it so I lost the ability to manage smartapps in the new app "Support says its a bug which won't be fixed before the 14th"   Plus the end of echospeaks.  They really could have worked with the developer came up with a plan to release a new app before shutting down the old app.  Like most of you I never made the switch because I LOVE AT.  As much as I hate smartthings right now I can't move without AT support. Looking forward to that support

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I'm moving away from Smartthings to Hubitat for the reasons Stephen is mentioning above. Also very curious about the time schedule for Actiontiles! Until it's released, I have to keep the Smartthings hub and make HTTP requests to Hubitat to control a few things.

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As a long-time SmartThings user, I am also seriously considering moving over to Hubitat.  It's very sad with the things that are happening over at SmartThings.

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I'm done with Smarthings. Tired of losing features and support of things that were already working fine. Not to mention having issues with their migrations, one location completely dropped all devices.

I'm working on the Hubitat transition as we speak. Look forward to ActionTiles support. I'd pay for another license for that.

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I received my Hubitat this weekend, and migration over is much easier that I thought. I use Webcore, Sonoff connect, Echo Speaks and all of these are working great and a breeze to add in using "Hubitat Package Manager" app. I'm am so eagerly awaiting ActionTiles for Hubitat!! 


PS: A neat plus is on Webcore, I can keep both instances running and simply duplicate my ST pistons into HE.  It would be nice if the AT integration allows for something of that type.  

that’s really cool.  Once you are converted over, you may want to consider the rule manager in Hubitat over the web core, since RM processes rules local to the hub.  It is really nice being able to have full automation without internet connectivity. 

sweet!  I hadn’t realized that was migrated already, or that the HE version was local processing. I will have to take a look 

Its amazing. Pistons run local. Needs Web access to edit or add new pistons, I believe, but once set up.... All local. Webcore and hubitat is Phenominal. 

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Please add support for Hubitat. Smartthings is absolute garbage and their technical support is worse. Basically I have no alarm at my house now for weeks. Just got Hubitat and I can only get about 60% of the same functionality of ActionTiles. Please please add support. Will pay...$100...$200.

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Long time ST / ActionTiles user, and would love to have AT now interface with my HE so I don't have to use HubConnect.  This weekend I migrated all my ST to HE - goodbye ST!  It was super simple, everything works quicker and is humming along nicely - locally.  Would even be willing to purchase another license for HE as I believe ActionTiles has the best interface.

Thank you guys for trying to add Hubitat support. I've been using Smartthings since you guys were Smarttiles and it was free :) But I've soured on Samsung lately due to the constant flip flopping of apps, being force to migrate from one platform to another, convert smarthtings to samsung, etc. It doesn't help that Samsung serves advertisements up in almost every device they make, and I'm getting ads in the smartthings app now too. So I'm kind of done with Samsung.

Enter Hubitat. I spent all weekend moving everything over, and the one thing I have left to be 100% again is having actiontiles. While the web interface in Hubitat is useful, I haven't found a way to add media tiles, or dynamic tiles like weather forcasts and such. Being able to turn things off and on, while seeing live video of the room in question, was super useful to make sure the command worked. I hate having to tab back and forth between action tiles and hubitats ui while I'm getting all my automations set up. 

use an image tile on your Hubitat dashboard. Copy and paste the url's you use in actiontiles and dont set a refresh rate. I can view my wyze cams this way via tinycam.  Also worked for weather forecast and radar media tiles the same way... Not as good looking a dashboard as actiontiles, but will do in the interim.

You are a genius. That helps a lot while waiting for Actiontiles support!

I even found that if I set my WYZE cams and radar images as background image rather than image it fits better in the HE image tile.

They don't refresh or maximize when clicked if you do them as background image though. As an image url you can click the box to get a larger size image and with a refresh the thumbs update video stills. 

all props to Angus_M over on Hubitat forums-I just stumbled across it but wanted to share..Its been working well for me.

I also moved to HE last week. Their UI is far less flexible but it kinda works. Also looked at Sharptools but I am not a big supporter of subscription models; I rather pay for a license and major release upgrades vs having to pay a monthly fee without knowing when/if improvements are implemented. I am sure the team at AT realizes the opportunity here to offer their UI to many users that converted from  ST to HE over the recent past.

Same. Made the move to HE, i'm over ST -- too many issues, loss of support and completely losing a couple locations during the migrations. I like Sharptools with HE, but can't accept a monthly subscription. I do realize that ActionTiles needs to make money to pay for the dev time, so I'd be more than happy to buy another license for HE. As it stands I realize that they make nothing off just adding HE support to existing users who originally signed up for ST support.

If they manage to add HE to existing licenses, without any payment change, I'd be curious how they plan to make money and continue adding more support. It's great for us, but feel like adding HE for free is extremely generous.

I may be alone here.

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I'd totally buy a 2nd license if it has the same functionality and features. . 

not deter useage of AT, I am anxiously awaiting it, but in SharpTools, I got a lifetime subscription.  You just have to watch for the promotions.  I later converted my account over to a premium subscription under the new model, because I believe in supporting the developers.   But the point is, if you watch, occasionally lifetime subscriptions do appear during time of change. 

I'm looking forward to AT supporting Hubitat as well!  I migrated from ST about a year ago and am very happy with HE!

I'll add my vote for this as well. I bought a license in April of 2017. AT seemed great but I fell out of love with SmartThings. Fast forward to today and I'm using Hubitat extensively. When I saw support was being considered, which makes sense at ST is a dying platform, I was excited to see this. I have an existing license that isn't even being used. I'm not sure I've even logged in for a year or so until today. 

Has there been any official word on AT actually supporting Hubitat or is it more of a, "We'd love to have this"? Sharptools is always an option but, frankly, I'd rather go with ActionTiles. 

If you look back about a month ago in this thread, you'll see a couple of post from Alex (co-founder of AT) where he mentions that Hubitat support is actively being worked on.

Thanks. I didn't see that at all when I did a search. I'll look around again. 

this is awesome, as a first time home buyer, new Hubitat buy-in instead of ST, and a world of possibilities ahead I would love to see this integration as well.  I would definitely purchase a license. 

I can't wait until AT goes into beta on hubitat! Sign me up! :)

I would buy a new AT subscription for Hubitat functionality. No prob!


I just finally migrated to the new ST app last weekend. It's awful and lots of migration bugs, lost functionality, annoying notifications to turn off etc. A migration to Hubitat next is in order. The new Hubitat hub is just sitting here next to me waiting for my next free day. 

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Migrating to HE was the best move, you will not regret it.

Anxiously awaiting this!!!
When, when when?

i think it’s coming guys. If you watch the Hubitat Live broadcast from 2nd November and use the pause button at the right time you’ll see Bruce scroll past the app, it’s at 23min 45 seconds 

Wow, great eagle eye there, I see it too!

Great catch! 

& tops the alphabetized list! 

So, the 2.2.4.149 firmware became available yesterday. Besides the nice Z-wave features, etc I'm guessing that's not the beta? Anyone have any insight to this?

I still don’t see the update on my C3 nor C7 hub.

We will know when we can see.  I am guessing 2.2.5 which is supposed to be a major update. 

Hey all, been an AT user for about 3 yrs or since inception.  Time flies!  I just ordered a Hubitat and someone told me AT is doing a beta for Hubitat.  True?

I have seen this for over a month now.  This seems to be the only one HE component that has leaked through. 

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Soon. I'm impatiently waiting!

Heck there is an app?  I need to check back more often!

Not on iOS.  That's where I saved the Safari page to the Home Screen so it acts like an app.  I believe Android has an app.

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Hold your horses! Lol.

Once the integration is ready, we will make sure it is widely known!

Any very rough timeframe estimates?  I'm trying to figure out my game plan between now and then.

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Dear Santa,

I promise I've been good I just want one thing, HE support on ActionTiles for Christmas this year.

We're only a few days away from Xmas. We're still hoping for a Xmas miracle. 

Would love to be a beta tester.

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I'm just WAITING to give you money :)

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As a user since the SmartTiles days, I have now switched to Hubitat and was also excited to see ActionTiles on the live broadcast. I suggest you team up with Hubitat and make it the official interface!!!

I have thought the same thing but was hoping that's what is actually going on. 

As a user from the old days as well, I switch when HE came out, and was forced to convert to SharpTools once it was available.  I am anxiously awaiting AT being implemented so I can convert by dashboards over, as AT is much better built, using a more light weight client that runs great on average systems, whereas my current dashboards are painfully slow.  I would agree that AT would be much better as the native interface, but that breaks the HE model, which is non-reliance on the cloud.  If AT had a solution that allowed HE to host the AT dashboards internally, then yes, this would be awesome.  I have always thought most of this should be capable of offline caching on HE, then the only cloud reliance would be periodic check-in for updates, or remote access from outside the home.

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AFAIK Alex is working hard with the HE to make it happen as we speak. As HE already has it's own (rather limited) dashboard, my expectation is that AT will be presented as a built-in application on par with other 3rd party integrations such as alexa and (a pox be on you) sharptools. 


Here to add my support, SmartThings is dying off quickly....time to get on board AT!

I just jumped over to being a Hubitat C5 and C7 hub household and happily kicked cloud based ST with all the UI issues and outages to the curb.  I should have done it years ago as HE's local processing, platform connectivity and integration, number of applications is heads and shoulders above the new ST mess.  


I would love to see AT integrate with HE like SharpTools offers.  Your UI is really nice and not as robust as the HE dashboard.  I've been a long time AT user, so I hope you can see the future, and ST is shrinking for people who need a Hubitat AT solution.



I'll add my support.  As a user of ActionTiles for several years, I would love to have the same functionality in HE.   ST has just gone to heck.  Recently bought a C7 and the built in dashboard functionality is too limited, especially for mobile.

same here went to Hubitat after 5 years Smartthings and love it. Hubitat & Lutron RA2 Select & Picos is awesome.

Would love a decent dashboard for Hubitat though. There is nothing good out there right now. 

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HomeHabit looks promising

Home Remote is bit slow and has a bit of learning curve and is work to get it nice.

Sharptools might be promising as well.

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I made the jump to HE at the end of last summer after having been on SmartThings with Action Tiles for about 3 years.  I don't miss ST at all.  In fact I took great joy in pulling its plug.  What I do miss greatly is AT!!!


I've been using SharpTools since about November and while it's better than the native HE dashboard, that's not saying much.  The only thing I would count as a real gain with SharpTools is drag and drop editing.

I would very much like to move back to Action Tiles!!!
If I where King I'd request that AT runs completely on the local LAN and had drag & drop editing but, given that I'm not the King, I'll be contented with just getting back to AT.

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Please bring Action Tiles to Hubitat.

I am ready to make the jump to Hubitat as ST is not reliable anymore. Every other day automations and device control get broken. The one thing missing for my potential switch to HE is a control panel as nice as AT. My hardware is ready for the switch. Waiting inpatiently for Action Tiles implementation on Hubitat ! 

Just a quick note here. I (like some others) might state that the AT requirement should not be a deciding factor in moving to HE. The initial pain of moving everything is quickly forgotten once you experience the stability and the local execution. I now have 2 ST hubs siting not he side doing nothing, every time I look at them simply feel relieved! Sad but true!

And then I'll just keep an eye on this thread with fingers crossed!

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Totally agreed, since switching from ST to HE it's been bliss.  AT would be the topping of the cake, but it's worth the move.  

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So frustrated with ST...it's incredibly unstable.  Automations (webcore) and AT are broken daily...can't wait to get off the platform but not doing it until AT supports HE, hopefully locally though that might cause issues with licensing?  Any updates from the AT team?

ST going down is a daily thing now.  It's so frustrating.

@Alex,

Is there a timeline for ActionTiles working with Hubitat? We've heard it's coming, but not much about timing. Even a rough estimate would be great. Thanks!

Well Bye Felicia - have fun paying monthly for your panels. The rest of us here are supporting Alex