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Support for Hubitat?

Armand Welsh 8 months ago in Things & Capabilities / Non-"Works With SmartThings" devices • updated by Terry (ActionTiles) (Co-Founder) 3 months ago 14

I have a license for ActionTiles that I only just did a minimalistic setup of to POC wall mounted tablets as an interface to my smart home. I am writing to officially ask if ActionTiles can be enhanced to support Hubitat.


I would love it if This system could be migrated over to support it, and will happily buy another device license for that system.

Armand

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Hubitat has created their own specialized web-app which mimics a lot of the functionality of ActionTiles. We're happy to see that product continuing to evolve and attract interest.


Realistically, we have plenty of consumer facing and non-consumer facing SmartThings related development to focus on before we can even consider diversion of resources to a niche platform. SmartThings is our birthplace and it is the platform of all our supportive customers' homes. The Votes on this Topic indicate that the future is open to many possibilities and the door remains open to anything ... eventually.

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Hi Armand (and everyone following this Topic)...


We're finding Hubitat (as a product, Hubitat Elevation, and as a company) to be an amazing achievement and are excited to see how it grows and expands. Given its similarity to SmartThings, it makes sense to believe that ActionTiles could be a great fit as an add-on UI from a technical perspective; with the caveat that we would likely retain the cloud-dependent nature of our own web-app. (It would be a tremendous diversion to change that particular aspect of our focus.)


We appreciate the enthusiasm, votes, and contributory discussion here. As with all Feature Request Topics, this not only helps us gauge interest, but also helps us and all readers understand, refine, partition and ultimately prioritize the idea.


A few random points to ponder, please:

- These the question "when is the right time for us to seriously consider jumping in...?"

  • Hubitat is rapidly evolving (which is super!); but developing an integration too soon could result in a non-trivial amount of rework, and more rework. Yes - all products evolve, but newly released ones are on a whole different scale and pace.
  • ActionTiles's current customers deserve inherent priority of our development resources. Whether promised or not, they expect continuous improvement of the app they have Licensed for their SmartThings homes. Also, our relationship with SmartThings, the company, is very important to us. We hope they support "openness" enough to not stand in our way as we explore adding other platform integrations; but we must be tactful, observant, and choose wisely.
  • Hubitat obviously has less of an existing customer base than SmartThings. Due to being young and small, it currently has less potential for growth in terms of raw numbers: If SmartThings adds even 10% new customers in the next year, that approaches 100,000 new potential customers.

Thanks!

...Terry.

+1,000,000 on this request!  I am about to make the move to Hubitat as well.  ST is not reliable for my HA needs BUT ActionTiles is a must for my HA environment.

Please use the Topic VOTE function, rather than adding "+1" (or "+1,000,000") Comments. Everyone can allocate up to 3 Votes per Topic of their Vote Budget.

I am also switching from ST to Hubitat and use Action Tiles as a wall-mounted tablet. So, I would definitely appreciate Action Tiles or at least the ability to get the old Smart Tiles code that already works on Hubitat locally.

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it would be great if ActionTiles could display and control multiple ST and Hubitat hubs simultaneously.

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I *guess* this could be accomplished with the "Other Hub Integration" apps where you can send all the states/events between ST/HE but I havent tried it myself ... I only have 3 sets of devices on ST until drivers/integrations are available for them on HE (Halo Smoke/CO2 sensors, Ring Doorbells, and Arlo Cameras - I use the RING and Arlo devices also for motion sensors and get the results from ST -> HE with the Hubitat Hub Link application on the HE Hub for now ...)

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Discuss & Vote

Hi Armand (and everyone following this Topic)...


We're finding Hubitat (as a product, Hubitat Elevation, and as a company) to be an amazing achievement and are excited to see how it grows and expands. Given its similarity to SmartThings, it makes sense to believe that ActionTiles could be a great fit as an add-on UI from a technical perspective; with the caveat that we would likely retain the cloud-dependent nature of our own web-app. (It would be a tremendous diversion to change that particular aspect of our focus.)


We appreciate the enthusiasm, votes, and contributory discussion here. As with all Feature Request Topics, this not only helps us gauge interest, but also helps us and all readers understand, refine, partition and ultimately prioritize the idea.


A few random points to ponder, please:

- These the question "when is the right time for us to seriously consider jumping in...?"

  • Hubitat is rapidly evolving (which is super!); but developing an integration too soon could result in a non-trivial amount of rework, and more rework. Yes - all products evolve, but newly released ones are on a whole different scale and pace.
  • ActionTiles's current customers deserve inherent priority of our development resources. Whether promised or not, they expect continuous improvement of the app they have Licensed for their SmartThings homes. Also, our relationship with SmartThings, the company, is very important to us. We hope they support "openness" enough to not stand in our way as we explore adding other platform integrations; but we must be tactful, observant, and choose wisely.
  • Hubitat obviously has less of an existing customer base than SmartThings. Due to being young and small, it currently has less potential for growth in terms of raw numbers: If SmartThings adds even 10% new customers in the next year, that approaches 100,000 new potential customers.

Thanks!

...Terry.

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Another thing to consider is the advantages of being the first.  Getting your product in as the 'only' front end would be a huge advantage both in revenue and in long term being the 'first' and most mature user interface available.


I currently have 2 licenses and would immediately purchase a third for Hubitat when available. (ordered my Hubitat today).

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I agree, Hubitat does not have any similar mobile app or front-end at the moment and Action Tiles being far more mature than any new solution points to a good first mover advantage.

If AT is not released on the platform, users who have access to the last version of Smart Tile before going closed source, will invariably use that as the UI to Hubitat for lack of options. This could have potentially been revenue that AT could earn.

Nevertheless, being a license owner, I am still glad you are cautious and calculated about the AT platforms overall longevity irrespective of Hubitat. Just hoping to stick to a single product on both platforms, if possible.

Well, as a developer myself, I can promise that I do not want to write such a system.  You already have a product that could work.  But, when I finish my remodel, and have my tablets installed in my walls, I will either pay someone for a solution, or I will build it myself.  I do not want to build it myself, but will do what is necessary to get tablet based home automation access. Your system is perfect when implemented in kiosk mode, but a native Objective C client is not out of the question, if you are not ready. I hope you have a solution by then, or I can find an alternative by then....

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I made the jump over to Hubitat, and yes there are dashboard solutions available (both native and HousePanel) but I really do <3 my AT solution which is now tile-less as there's nothing on ST except one or two bits I have not yet ported.

I appreciate the level of concern that you all have about the 'newness' of the platform, but I think while ST may gain new customers it may end up going the path of AOL...gain X% of new users, while losing +X% of existing users due to poor management, communication (or lack thereof) of changes to the platform, security/privacy concerns, and well complete cloud dependence 


I do hope that an AT / Hubitat integration is in the cards - or if not I'm going to start looking at HousePanel for a local tile solution (or see where they go with the dashboard)


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i have seen the new dashboard.  It is very much like smart tiles, but very young still.  It deserately needs a UI/UX developer to improve the look.  I was not aware of House Panel, I may have to take a look. I will be starting my remodel soon, and am getting anxious for a solution.

HP looks interesting, especially if you are looking for a completely local running solution, but I do like AT just wont be able to use it for a while as the streak of issues ST had with their platform forced a change when WAF plummeted

For some reason the ST outages seemed to coincide either with large gatherings at my home, or when I was on the road and unable to smooth things over. Did not bode well for the WAF feedback loop


Samsung is unlikely to have customer losses (Y%) exceed gains (X%). If the situation becomes dire, they have a $ billion they can throw at the problem - something Habitat and ActionTiles can't do (and hopefully won't ever have to 😬!).


Thanks for the feedback, but our Answer for Hubitat remains as shown above - we're waiting for them to establish significant growth and prominence; heck, we get many more requests for Wink and Home Assistant and Homeseer and Vera than Hubitat; so far!

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Hubitat has created their own specialized web-app which mimics a lot of the functionality of ActionTiles. We're happy to see that product continuing to evolve and attract interest.


Realistically, we have plenty of consumer facing and non-consumer facing SmartThings related development to focus on before we can even consider diversion of resources to a niche platform. SmartThings is our birthplace and it is the platform of all our supportive customers' homes. The Votes on this Topic indicate that the future is open to many possibilities and the door remains open to anything ... eventually.

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