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Support for Hubitat?

Armand Welsh 3 years ago in Things & Capabilities / Non-"Works With SmartThings" devices updated by Darren Horner 4 days ago 39

I have a license for ActionTiles that I only just did a minimalistic setup of to POC wall mounted tablets as an interface to my smart home. I am writing to officially ask if ActionTiles can be enhanced to support Hubitat.


I would love it if This system could be migrated over to support it, and will happily buy another device license for that system.

Armand

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Hubitat has created their own specialized web-app which mimics a lot of the functionality of ActionTiles. We're happy to see that product continuing to evolve and attract interest.


Realistically, we have plenty of consumer facing and non-consumer facing SmartThings related development to focus on before we can even consider diversion of resources to a niche platform. SmartThings is our birthplace and it is the platform of all our supportive customers' homes. The Votes on this Topic indicate that the future is open to many possibilities and the door remains open to anything ... eventually.

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Hi Armand (and everyone following this Topic)...


We're finding Hubitat (as a product, Hubitat Elevation, and as a company) to be an amazing achievement and are excited to see how it grows and expands. Given its similarity to SmartThings, it makes sense to believe that ActionTiles could be a great fit as an add-on UI from a technical perspective; with the caveat that we would likely retain the cloud-dependent nature of our own web-app. (It would be a tremendous diversion to change that particular aspect of our focus.)


We appreciate the enthusiasm, votes, and contributory discussion here. As with all Feature Request Topics, this not only helps us gauge interest, but also helps us and all readers understand, refine, partition and ultimately prioritize the idea.


A few random points to ponder, please:

- These the question "when is the right time for us to seriously consider jumping in...?"

  • Hubitat is rapidly evolving (which is super!); but developing an integration too soon could result in a non-trivial amount of rework, and more rework. Yes - all products evolve, but newly released ones are on a whole different scale and pace.
  • ActionTiles's current customers deserve inherent priority of our development resources. Whether promised or not, they expect continuous improvement of the app they have Licensed for their SmartThings homes. Also, our relationship with SmartThings, the company, is very important to us. We hope they support "openness" enough to not stand in our way as we explore adding other platform integrations; but we must be tactful, observant, and choose wisely.
  • Hubitat obviously has less of an existing customer base than SmartThings. Due to being young and small, it currently has less potential for growth in terms of raw numbers: If SmartThings adds even 10% new customers in the next year, that approaches 100,000 new potential customers.

Thanks!

...Terry.

+1,000,000 on this request!  I am about to make the move to Hubitat as well.  ST is not reliable for my HA needs BUT ActionTiles is a must for my HA environment.

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I am also switching from ST to Hubitat and use Action Tiles as a wall-mounted tablet. So, I would definitely appreciate Action Tiles or at least the ability to get the old Smart Tiles code that already works on Hubitat locally.

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it would be great if ActionTiles could display and control multiple ST and Hubitat hubs simultaneously.

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I *guess* this could be accomplished with the "Other Hub Integration" apps where you can send all the states/events between ST/HE but I havent tried it myself ... I only have 3 sets of devices on ST until drivers/integrations are available for them on HE (Halo Smoke/CO2 sensors, Ring Doorbells, and Arlo Cameras - I use the RING and Arlo devices also for motion sensors and get the results from ST -> HE with the Hubitat Hub Link application on the HE Hub for now ...)

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Hi Armand (and everyone following this Topic)...


We're finding Hubitat (as a product, Hubitat Elevation, and as a company) to be an amazing achievement and are excited to see how it grows and expands. Given its similarity to SmartThings, it makes sense to believe that ActionTiles could be a great fit as an add-on UI from a technical perspective; with the caveat that we would likely retain the cloud-dependent nature of our own web-app. (It would be a tremendous diversion to change that particular aspect of our focus.)


We appreciate the enthusiasm, votes, and contributory discussion here. As with all Feature Request Topics, this not only helps us gauge interest, but also helps us and all readers understand, refine, partition and ultimately prioritize the idea.


A few random points to ponder, please:

- These the question "when is the right time for us to seriously consider jumping in...?"

  • Hubitat is rapidly evolving (which is super!); but developing an integration too soon could result in a non-trivial amount of rework, and more rework. Yes - all products evolve, but newly released ones are on a whole different scale and pace.
  • ActionTiles's current customers deserve inherent priority of our development resources. Whether promised or not, they expect continuous improvement of the app they have Licensed for their SmartThings homes. Also, our relationship with SmartThings, the company, is very important to us. We hope they support "openness" enough to not stand in our way as we explore adding other platform integrations; but we must be tactful, observant, and choose wisely.
  • Hubitat obviously has less of an existing customer base than SmartThings. Due to being young and small, it currently has less potential for growth in terms of raw numbers: If SmartThings adds even 10% new customers in the next year, that approaches 100,000 new potential customers.

Thanks!

...Terry.

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Another thing to consider is the advantages of being the first.  Getting your product in as the 'only' front end would be a huge advantage both in revenue and in long term being the 'first' and most mature user interface available.


I currently have 2 licenses and would immediately purchase a third for Hubitat when available. (ordered my Hubitat today).

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I agree, Hubitat does not have any similar mobile app or front-end at the moment and Action Tiles being far more mature than any new solution points to a good first mover advantage.

If AT is not released on the platform, users who have access to the last version of Smart Tile before going closed source, will invariably use that as the UI to Hubitat for lack of options. This could have potentially been revenue that AT could earn.

Nevertheless, being a license owner, I am still glad you are cautious and calculated about the AT platforms overall longevity irrespective of Hubitat. Just hoping to stick to a single product on both platforms, if possible.

Well, as a developer myself, I can promise that I do not want to write such a system.  You already have a product that could work.  But, when I finish my remodel, and have my tablets installed in my walls, I will either pay someone for a solution, or I will build it myself.  I do not want to build it myself, but will do what is necessary to get tablet based home automation access. Your system is perfect when implemented in kiosk mode, but a native Objective C client is not out of the question, if you are not ready. I hope you have a solution by then, or I can find an alternative by then....

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I made the jump over to Hubitat, and yes there are dashboard solutions available (both native and HousePanel) but I really do <3 my AT solution which is now tile-less as there's nothing on ST except one or two bits I have not yet ported.

I appreciate the level of concern that you all have about the 'newness' of the platform, but I think while ST may gain new customers it may end up going the path of AOL...gain X% of new users, while losing +X% of existing users due to poor management, communication (or lack thereof) of changes to the platform, security/privacy concerns, and well complete cloud dependence 


I do hope that an AT / Hubitat integration is in the cards - or if not I'm going to start looking at HousePanel for a local tile solution (or see where they go with the dashboard)


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i have seen the new dashboard.  It is very much like smart tiles, but very young still.  It deserately needs a UI/UX developer to improve the look.  I was not aware of House Panel, I may have to take a look. I will be starting my remodel soon, and am getting anxious for a solution.

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HP looks interesting, especially if you are looking for a completely local running solution, but I do like AT just wont be able to use it for a while as the streak of issues ST had with their platform forced a change when WAF plummeted

For some reason the ST outages seemed to coincide either with large gatherings at my home, or when I was on the road and unable to smooth things over. Did not bode well for the WAF feedback loop


Samsung is unlikely to have customer losses (Y%) exceed gains (X%). If the situation becomes dire, they have a $ billion they can throw at the problem - something Habitat and ActionTiles can't do (and hopefully won't ever have to 😬!).


Thanks for the feedback, but our Answer for Hubitat remains as shown above - we're waiting for them to establish significant growth and prominence; heck, we get many more requests for Wink and Home Assistant and Homeseer and Vera than Hubitat; so far!

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Hubitat has created their own specialized web-app which mimics a lot of the functionality of ActionTiles. We're happy to see that product continuing to evolve and attract interest.


Realistically, we have plenty of consumer facing and non-consumer facing SmartThings related development to focus on before we can even consider diversion of resources to a niche platform. SmartThings is our birthplace and it is the platform of all our supportive customers' homes. The Votes on this Topic indicate that the future is open to many possibilities and the door remains open to anything ... eventually.

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Very interesting, thanks!

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Great to see this as an active effort!  Thank you!

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Please elaborate on the in-progress status.  Are you adding support for Hubitat?


Is this related at all to Samsung locking their system down even more recently?

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Hubitat support will be added shortly.


This is related to increased demand, due to rising popularity of Hubitat. 

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Since no one has asked here If we have a license already but since we moved to Hubitat can we use that same license with Hubitat now?

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Great to hear!!!  One quick question....and if you are still working out details, I understand.  If I paid for my subscription back when I was on SmartThings but haven't used it for a while, will it also cover Hubitat or will Hubitat be a separate subscription?  If you're looking for any Beta's, I'd be happy to sign up.  Used Action Tiles a TON back in my SmartThings days and it is one of the things I really missed when I moved over to Hubitat.  So excited!

Good news indeed! Looking forward to trying it out on Hubitat. Always loved AT but I dropped ST like a ton of bricks over two years ago and haven’t regretted it since!!

Awesome. I am using ST with HubConnect to allow for ActionTiles access. This is great news. If possible would be great to have it work on both environments with same panels. Very willing to cough up the cash for an additional license for the Hubitat hub(s)! 

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Yes, it will work transparently with both platforms. 

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This is great news! Currently on ST but I've ordered my HE hub. This will save me from setting up mirrored virtual devices.

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Hiw shortly is shortly? =p

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Hi, first of all thank you AT for including Hubitat in your roadmap. It would indeed be helpful to get an indication if we are talking days, weeks or months wrt introduction. I recieved my HE today and depending of your timeline would not like to spend too much time on their UI as I am perfectly happy with AT. Thanks.

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I'm nearly fed up with Samsung Smartthings to the point of switching over to Hubitat! This is primarily due to the recent "NEW" app migration, which is continually becoming a new "PLATFORM" migration and causing numerous outages and failed automation executions (webcore/st-app). The inclusion of ActionTiles is the last tick on my decision tree! I've seen all the dashboard options with Hubitat such as HousePanel, but they all fall short of ActionTiles. So, I'm very glad to hear that its being ported over!!!  

I felt the same way, but AT was not the crutch to keep me from moving.  Hubitat uses the same groovy language with all the same driver syntax and structure, with a very small amount of refactoring to make the system work.  I converted all my ST code over then deleted a lot of them because of the large community and top-notch generic device support.

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I'm moving away from Smartthings to Hubitat for the reasons Stephen is mentioning above. Also very curious about the time schedule for Actiontiles! Until it's released, I have to keep the Smartthings hub and make HTTP requests to Hubitat to control a few things.

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As a long-time SmartThings user, I am also seriously considering moving over to Hubitat.  It's very sad with the things that are happening over at SmartThings.

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I'm done with Smarthings. Tired of losing features and support of things that were already working fine. Not to mention having issues with their migrations, one location completely dropped all devices.

I'm working on the Hubitat transition as we speak. Look forward to ActionTiles support. I'd pay for another license for that.

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I received my Hubitat this weekend, and migration over is much easier that I thought. I use Webcore, Sonoff connect, Echo Speaks and all of these are working great and a breeze to add in using "Hubitat Package Manager" app. I'm am so eagerly awaiting ActionTiles for Hubitat!! 


PS: A neat plus is on Webcore, I can keep both instances running and simply duplicate my ST pistons into HE.  It would be nice if the AT integration allows for something of that type.  

that’s really cool.  Once you are converted over, you may want to consider the rule manager in Hubitat over the web core, since RM processes rules local to the hub.  It is really nice being able to have full automation without internet connectivity. 

sweet!  I hadn’t realized that was migrated already, or that the HE version was local processing. I will have to take a look 

Its amazing. Pistons run local. Needs Web access to edit or add new pistons, I believe, but once set up.... All local. Webcore and hubitat is Phenominal. 

Please add support for Hubitat. Smartthings is absolute garbage and their technical support is worse. Basically I have no alarm at my house now for weeks. Just got Hubitat and I can only get about 60% of the same functionality of ActionTiles. Please please add support. Will pay...$100...$200.