SHM & STHM options?
So I recently decided to dive into all of "this" (ie. actiontiles, smartthings etc.) It's sort of hard to keep up since things constantly evolve and when you read older topics sometimes those issues have been resolved etc. I wanted a "dashboard" or "frontend" to interface with smartthings. I only had a couple of conditions that needed to be met. I wanted to be able to control all/most of my "smart devices", I wanted Alexa integration, and I wanted to be able to control my home security via the panel that I chose. I did a lot of reading and it appeared that smartthings with actiontiles would do all of what I wanted. I purchased a ST hub, a actiontiles license and a Konnected alarm module. I've learned a lot along the way and things have been relatively smooth. But here is where I've hit a roadblock...
It looks like actiontiles doesn't (yet) support the v3 new app where STHM is concerned...and apparently, SHM is no longer an option in the classic app (at least for new accounts...it no longer shows up and can't be added). I've seen some workarounds that sort of make the v3 app work by using some virtual switches and the classic app...but without SHM in the classic app, I don't think that workaround works. So that means the Konnected alarm module I purchased won't work via actiontiles (I have it working in smartthings v3 STHM). Are there any solutions to bring it all together given that I can't add it in the classic app? Any help would be appreciated.
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The SHM app is no longer available in the Classic SmartThings app. SmartThings is nudging people away from using the classic app by taking away deprecated features. These features, such as Smart Home Monitor and Routines are deprecated in favor of SmartThings Home Monitor and Scenes, they are only enabled for existing users to maintain backwards compatibility. These features will be removed for everyone, eventually.
ActionTiles has to follow suite. In the near future, we will be deprecating SHM and Routines Tiles for new users as well.
The recommended workarounds to enable new SmartThings Home Monitor (STHM) and Scenes are described here:
I followed the steps on the SmartThings Home Monitor page for the 3 virtual switches. Those are working to Arm (stay), Arm (away), and Disarm the STHM system, however any intrusion isn't getting Dismissed when I Disarm the system so my Siren still goes off.
I've dug into the forms and other things for hours, but I can't seem to find any workaround to Dismiss an alarm through ActionTiles. How can a new user (that doesn't have access to SHM) dismiss the intrusion through ActionTiles so my alarm doesn't go off every time I open a door?
Edit: I would say I'm not stuck with STHM, so if there's a better Alarm System through a SmartApp, I'm happy switching to it.
ActionTiles (or any other app) has no way to intercept and dismiss the intrusion alert.
Did you try the "delay time" setting in SmartThings Home Monitor? I think it's meant to give enough time to disarm the system before intrusion alert goes off.
I have it setup with a delay. Even if I Disarm STHM, the alarm will still go off. I have to dismiss the intrusion alert to prevent the siren from sounding.
Thanks for the reply. :)
Edit: I had the alarm delay set but I actually needed to set the push notification delay. Now that I have the push notification delay set it works as intended. Still would need to use my phone to dismiss any alarms, but now it doesn’t ring if I get to it in time.
I hope SmartThings allows a proper integration with STHM one day. For now, we have to make do with whatever workarounds are available.
Are the SHM and Routines deprecated now in ActionTiles? I just started using ActionTiles and still using the SmartThings Classic. I can't see option to add SHM and Routines in ActionTiles and can only add Mode.
There was no announcement of the last major release, yet, because I'm waiting for some users to confirm fixes.
SHM and Routines are now deprecated for new users. If you understand the implications of sun-setting the Classic app, but still want to use them, please open a private ticket and include your account information so that this will be turned on for your account.
Thanks Alex. I misunderstood that I would need to have SHM in order to enable the virtual switches etc. Glad there is a solution!
On a separate note, could you share the json settings used in the theme of the examples you posted in those previous links? I really like the looks of those tiles!
If 'think' I setup the virtual switches and routines correctly, but my Action Tiles does not seem to reflect the change in state. If I use Action Tiles to disarm, the Arm stays active and seems to over ride the disarm switch.
As you can see in the image below, although the mode is Home (everything should be disarmed), Home Alarm Away says on.
Pretty sure I did something wrong, ideas?
There’s the three virtual switches and six automations that need to be set up, did you configure all them?
Double check your configurations to this guide:
STHM and ActionTiles
Yes I did the three of each, triple checked them. Maybe I'll just delete them and start over. Thanks for the reply.
I’m happy to try and help.
Can you share screenshots of your STHM’s Disarm Virtual Switch, Arm Away Virtual Switch, then the logic for the four automations that configure them?
Also, I noticed that there’s an updated driver for my virtual switches, which could be the difference. I don’t really want to upgrade mine to find out if it breaks or not. :(
@GreySkies, I advise not to update your virtual switches if everything is working.
@Scott.taylor please check whether the automations actually work in the SmartThings mobile app itself. You should see the switches mirror the STHM in the SmartThings mobile app as well. I had a client that had his set of switches that did not respond at all, even to manual toggling.
Finally had a break to grab screen captures to see if anyone can see what I did wrong. I did test the activation of each, and it does work, but the AT icon does not seem to change from previous state to new state. 90% of the time, both show in the active state, if that makes any sense.
So, I was able to make it work a different way. Instead of using the switches, I used the location modes built into ST. If you log into the Smartthings IDE, and click on My Locations, you will see modes about halfway down the page. You can edit the existing modes and add more if you like. I renamed the three existing modes to Armed (Away), Armed (Stay) and Disarmed. Then, with the modes set, I setup three basic automations that change the security mode when the corresponding location mode is changed. I then setup three scenes, one for each location mode that switches to that mode. From within AT you can then setup tiles for each scene (using My Scenes (Beta)). Tap on the tile, it changes the location mode, which in turn triggers the automation to trigger the security mode. I added a read only tile that just lists the current location mode, so I know what the current system setting is.
So, my scenes also stopped working. I have worked around it by setting up three virtual switches per the suggestions in this thread, and then setting my scenes up to change the location mode based on the switch triggered and also to turn the other two switches off. I then setup three basic automations to trigger a scene based on which switch was activated. Works like a charm....for now ;P
I have the same problem. Switches worked fine for a little while. Now no update at all. Did you find a solution?
Same has occurred here. The mode seemed to work for a bit, now the Disarmed is lit again all the time, and occasionally the Armed Home lights up (with Disarmed). Hope a solution to change modes using Action Tiles in on the horizon.
Any native control of STHM is not likely to happen in the foreseeable future. SmartThings does not intend to open this API to developers.
In the past several weeks SmartThings has been plagued by an issues with regards to event handling. Sometimes event subscriptions are just dropped unexpectedly.
If you notice that some devices are not updated, go to My Locations page in ActionTiles, select your location and tap this button below. This button was added last Tuesday specifically to help the issue with lost event subscriptions.
Thanks for the reply Alex. I understand this is more of a constraint from SmartThings then with Action Tiles.
I have not noticed devices not updating, only the work around items. I'll do the suggestion you made (go to My Locations page in ActionTiles, select your location and tap this button below.) and see if that helps.
Good work around using locations.
Sorry I didn’t get a chance to respond sooner, but it looks like your system disarm logic doesn’t have the correct system setting (second pic).
If System is
Armed AwayDisarmed then
Switch Disarm on
Switch Armed Away off
Switch Armed Stay off
Made the change and tested over the weekend. Everything works great again, and I thank you for your support!!
Thank you 'Grey Skies'. Trying to make the modification you indicated in the one logic that I I did wrong. Getting Network error when trying to save, so will have to delete it and recreate then test again. Will let you know.
3 switches set up working well. How did you get a delay in starting the armed away logic? Using google home, asking it to countdown from 40 to 0 works well, but how to do it from AT panel?
I don't use any delay mechanism. I arm / disarm based on time of day or presence of peoples cell phones.
I don’t have a delay for arming the alarm. I arm it from the app once I leave.
For the delay on entering, I configured it in STHM.
Settings -> Security -> Set response and set the response delay to your delay time. I use 1min to give me and the internet communication a bit more time to disarm. I have issues with the siren and door chimes. If the alarm goes off I have to clear the STHM’s red disarm notification before the alarm can sound again. This is only done through the app.
I currently have the adt/smartthings panel but will be switching to ring alarm system soon. Just bought an Aoetec hub to continue smartthings. Can the ring system be integrated with smartthings and actiontiles? I want to be able to arm/arm stay/disarm from actiontiles which will be on a wall tablet.
The only available option to arm/disarm SmartThings Home Monitor is described here:
Ring system is officially compatible with SmartThings and therefore ActionTiles.
Make sure to take advantage of the free 14-day trial to explore how the Ring system performs in ActionTiles.
Check out my simple solution I found to the exit delay problem with Arm Away. I posted it in the comments to the Action Tiles home monitor implementation referenced above.
If anyone is interested in condensing to a single tile to display mode status of the alarm, you can create a single virtual alarm and a single virtual switch to arm/disam. When you create the routine, you can select virtual alarm's both, siren, or strobe to be activated for respected arm away or arm stay. I then set up a routine to change the alarm to off and selected the disarm icon for when the virtual alarm is off. You can also go and change the icon for respective both/stobe/siren to respective arm away and arm stay. I only started using recently, so I hope this works. thanks!